Submitted by richardbowcher on Thu, 12/31/2009 - 23:53.
I will admit that predicting the future has proven difficult on this bill. In particular, if you had told most pundits, including yours truly, that Senator Nelson of Nebraska mcpd questions would accept the compromise that pushed the bill past 60 votes, those pundits, including yours truly, probably would have laughed at you. The vote is completely at odds with Nelson's history as a politician - he was elected Governor of Nebraska in 1990 by running to the right of incumbent Republican Governor Kay Orr, and spent his time in office by doing very un-Democratic things, even for a conservative Democrat, like cutting taxes and trimming worker's compensation.Take this personal background, add in the vmware certification fact that Nelson probably holds the reddest Senate seat in the country for a Democrat by an order of magnitude (when looking at a state top-to-bottom), toss in the fact that the bill probably has a 20-30% favorability rating in Nebraska, and the vote is all-but inexplicable on paper. It is almost a declaration of retirement for the Senator. In the end, though, I think this seeming irrationality holds the key to understanding why the bill is exceedingly unlikely to fail.Let's start by examining the arguments for why the Senate bill might fail in the House. In early November, the House barely passed its version of ObamaCare, 220-215. This, at least in theory, provides the baseline for the bill going forward. One Republican, Jospeh Cao (whose ccvp district leans Democratic by about 25 points) reportedly said that he would not be the deciding vote for the bill, so realistically we're dealing with a 219-216 split.
I have examined the latest Senate amendment and find this bill to be unworthy of support. The bill contains additional restrictions on choice as required by Senator Ben Nelson for passage. The new anti-choice measure allows states to enact prohibitions of plans that may pay for abortions and repeal such provisions and reenact them over and over. This is going to make each state election a living nightmare. So, in addition to being terrible anti-choice policy, we are creating wedge issues for each and every state election. Further, this whittles away at the idea of Roe v. Wade, that the federal government can protect privacy over state law. Further the amendment funds more anti-choice propaganda given to women seeking family planning assistance. Further, no one's talking about this, but the gun lobby took their cut excluding the presence of a gun in the home as a criterion for premium setting. If you don't wear seatbelts or smoke, you could pay an additional premium. A gun in the home was also frequently used as a criterion on plan applications. Now, guns have been proclaimed safe and the rest of us pay higher premiums to cover the real gun violence statistics when premium levels are set. Further, the annual and lifetime limits proclusions have caveats that no one is talking about. For example, per beneficiary per coverage limits are still allowed. That's all not to mention that none of it starts until 2014. The medical loss ratios are being touted, but no one is focusing on the provision that allows the Secretary to waive the individual market 80% limit if it finds that the market would be "destabilized", not defining the term. Pre-existing conditions may not be excluded, but insurers are fully able to raise rates. People with pre-existing conditions will be in the bad position of being required to purchase expensive coverage.
Sanders was able to get an increase in funding of community health centers and there are some well meaning pilot programs to try to bring best practices such as those used at Mayo Clinic to other providers. However, those provisions could be enacted separate from the mandate/subsidy scheme now under discussion. So, there is no reason, from the progressive perspective, to pass this legislation. Those saying it will be fixed later have not realized that this is the deal struck between the Administration and the insurance lobby. Daily Kos is reporting that AHIP has stopped opposing the bill. They got everything they wanted. Also, Nelson has made it clear that he'll accept no changes. Some are arguing that this is not a done deal, but it is done and now we know it was decided a long time ago and there is little hope for change and no hope for significant change.
The worst of this situation is that it shows we are bereft of progressive leadership in the Administration and in Congress. It shows that we have our work cut out for us to find and elect progressive candidates.
Submitted by Joseph A. Mungai on Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:27.
Our Congress is asking We the People to subsidize Wall Street profits where our economic crisis originated.
Without a public option like Medicare for anyone that wants it we haven’t addressed the problems of universal healthcare at the least expense.
Creating true competition is right for America when so many are losing their jobs. To lower the unemployment rate to 9 percent before the 2010 elections would mean creating over 650,000 jobs per month.
Collectively, there isn’t the meaningful legislation required to address all the problems effecting our healthcare system like air and water pollution, fair competition in the global marketplace, climate change and on and on.
So far, I think single payer best addresses many of the ills we face as a nation. It is right for other countries and should be a right for Americans.
Submitted by mikeeeisen on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 18:59.
I agree this bill in the Senate is not worth passing, but perhaps once it gets to conference maybe the progressives in the House will be able to make the bill much better.
What are the chances next year after the State of the Union to pass a public option in the House and one in the Senate via reconciliation?
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#1 I will admit that predicting
Submitted by richardbowcher on Thu, 12/31/2009 - 23:53.
I will admit that predicting the future has proven difficult on this bill. In particular, if you had told most pundits, including yours truly, that Senator Nelson of Nebraska mcpd questions would accept the compromise that pushed the bill past 60 votes, those pundits, including yours truly, probably would have laughed at you. The vote is completely at odds with Nelson's history as a politician - he was elected Governor of Nebraska in 1990 by running to the right of incumbent Republican Governor Kay Orr, and spent his time in office by doing very un-Democratic things, even for a conservative Democrat, like cutting taxes and trimming worker's compensation.Take this personal background, add in the vmware certification fact that Nelson probably holds the reddest Senate seat in the country for a Democrat by an order of magnitude (when looking at a state top-to-bottom), toss in the fact that the bill probably has a 20-30% favorability rating in Nebraska, and the vote is all-but inexplicable on paper. It is almost a declaration of retirement for the Senator. In the end, though, I think this seeming irrationality holds the key to understanding why the bill is exceedingly unlikely to fail.Let's start by examining the arguments for why the Senate bill might fail in the House. In early November, the House barely passed its version of ObamaCare, 220-215. This, at least in theory, provides the baseline for the bill going forward. One Republican, Jospeh Cao (whose ccvp district leans Democratic by about 25 points) reportedly said that he would not be the deciding vote for the bill, so realistically we're dealing with a 219-216 split.
#2 Senate Bill Represents A Step Backward and is Not Supportworthy
Submitted by ebgill on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 16:10.
I have examined the latest Senate amendment and find this bill to be unworthy of support. The bill contains additional restrictions on choice as required by Senator Ben Nelson for passage. The new anti-choice measure allows states to enact prohibitions of plans that may pay for abortions and repeal such provisions and reenact them over and over. This is going to make each state election a living nightmare. So, in addition to being terrible anti-choice policy, we are creating wedge issues for each and every state election. Further, this whittles away at the idea of Roe v. Wade, that the federal government can protect privacy over state law. Further the amendment funds more anti-choice propaganda given to women seeking family planning assistance. Further, no one's talking about this, but the gun lobby took their cut excluding the presence of a gun in the home as a criterion for premium setting. If you don't wear seatbelts or smoke, you could pay an additional premium. A gun in the home was also frequently used as a criterion on plan applications. Now, guns have been proclaimed safe and the rest of us pay higher premiums to cover the real gun violence statistics when premium levels are set. Further, the annual and lifetime limits proclusions have caveats that no one is talking about. For example, per beneficiary per coverage limits are still allowed. That's all not to mention that none of it starts until 2014. The medical loss ratios are being touted, but no one is focusing on the provision that allows the Secretary to waive the individual market 80% limit if it finds that the market would be "destabilized", not defining the term. Pre-existing conditions may not be excluded, but insurers are fully able to raise rates. People with pre-existing conditions will be in the bad position of being required to purchase expensive coverage.
Sanders was able to get an increase in funding of community health centers and there are some well meaning pilot programs to try to bring best practices such as those used at Mayo Clinic to other providers. However, those provisions could be enacted separate from the mandate/subsidy scheme now under discussion. So, there is no reason, from the progressive perspective, to pass this legislation. Those saying it will be fixed later have not realized that this is the deal struck between the Administration and the insurance lobby. Daily Kos is reporting that AHIP has stopped opposing the bill. They got everything they wanted. Also, Nelson has made it clear that he'll accept no changes. Some are arguing that this is not a done deal, but it is done and now we know it was decided a long time ago and there is little hope for change and no hope for significant change.
The worst of this situation is that it shows we are bereft of progressive leadership in the Administration and in Congress. It shows that we have our work cut out for us to find and elect progressive candidates.
#3 Healthcare Reform
Submitted by Joseph A. Mungai on Sun, 12/20/2009 - 21:27.
Our Congress is asking We the People to subsidize Wall Street profits where our economic crisis originated.
Without a public option like Medicare for anyone that wants it we haven’t addressed the problems of universal healthcare at the least expense.
Creating true competition is right for America when so many are losing their jobs. To lower the unemployment rate to 9 percent before the 2010 elections would mean creating over 650,000 jobs per month.
Collectively, there isn’t the meaningful legislation required to address all the problems effecting our healthcare system like air and water pollution, fair competition in the global marketplace, climate change and on and on.
So far, I think single payer best addresses many of the ills we face as a nation. It is right for other countries and should be a right for Americans.
#4 Kill the Bill
Submitted by mikeeeisen on Sat, 12/19/2009 - 18:59.
I agree this bill in the Senate is not worth passing, but perhaps once it gets to conference maybe the progressives in the House will be able to make the bill much better.
What are the chances next year after the State of the Union to pass a public option in the House and one in the Senate via reconciliation?
Let's hope for the best!!!!!!!!!!